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Residency versus Experience

By Anthony Fryckberg posted 03-14-2012 11:25

  
My first blog post here at ASHP will deal with an issue that is unfortunately significant to many of us.  Like many of us, despite being happy where I am, I've begun looking for other positions--positions with more challenge, positions with more prestige, and positions in my area of specialty.  I've also been very discouraged in this job market because for position after position in the job listings we see the same thing: "completion of a PGY-1 residency required" or "residency preferred."

So my question is this:  How does the experienced but not residency trained pharmacist compete in this market?

Let me begin with a bit of my background.  I graduated with my BS from Temple University in 1997, and immediately began a career in the wonderful world of community pharmacy.  I had felt that I would be a very good community pharmacist, and at the time, as we all know, community pharmacy was where the better money was, and what 23-year old graduate didn't want to make a little money?

As many of my colleagues have done, after 8 years, I decided that community pharmacy wasn't for me, so I transitioned into Health-System pharmacy.  I liked what I did so much, that I volunteered to help start up a clinical program here at my small 135-bed community hospital.  After reading many texts from ASHP, position papers, and receiving guidance from other hospitals, our program was born, and it has flourished.  I even went back to school and completed my PharmD.  So, here I am today, with 15 years of experience as a pharmacist, and 6 years at my hospital as the Pharmacy Clinical Coordinator, with experience in not just performing the clinical functions--I helped to CREATE these functions.

However, being the big fish in a small pond has its limitations.  What if I wanted to work in a major medical center?  What if I wanted to "spread my wings?"  So, after completing my PharmD, I began looking around, just from curiosity, to see what was out there, and to see if the allure of a position could lure me away from the position that I had essentially created and grew.

I found quite a few interesting positions, and when just sending an application out to see what another place may have to offer, it began.  Doors were literally and figuratively slammed in my face.  I couldn't figure out why, so I decided to ask.  I emailed one of the Directors at one of the hospitals I had applied to, in hopes of figuring out what I could do to make myself more potentially appealing.  The answer was swift and simple--we don't want to hire someone for a clinical position without having completed a PGY-1 and PGY-2 residency.

I was taken aback.  Maybe I was shooting too high.  So I decided to call a few other places.  I received the exact same answer.  At this point, I was shocked.  I knew the numbers, that 90% of practicing pharmacists in the US had NOT completed a residency program.  So I decided I would ask at ASHP, where I soon discovered that in the 2015 Initiative, it was the plan of ASHP to have 90% of all new practitioners entering hospital pharmacy to have completed a residency program by 2015--to which I ask...

What about me and the remainder of the 90%?

It's difficult for me to keep this post short, so I'll leave it at this point for comments and discussion.  The point is that there needs to be something so that a qualified, experienced pharmacist is not penalized and prevented from taking on a position that they are truly qualified for solely on the basis of not having completed a residency program.  I'll ask this question in the open forum:  Who is better qualified to be a clinical pharmacist in a tertiary care hospital--a pharmacist who has just completed a PGY-1 residency or a pharmacist who has been practicing in an advanced capacity with over a decade's worth of experience?  Draw your own conclusions.
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03-28-2012 19:34

Anthony you bring up an important and overlooked point in the big push towards residency training. Having a PGY 1 residency doesn't automatically make you better or more experienced than the clinical pharmacist with 10+ years of experience in the field. Maybe ASHP should take a look at this issue in a similar concept as the Non-T PharmD program when PharmD became the standard of those coming out of pharmacy school. Instead of making someone with years of clinical experience go back and complete a PGY 1 in order to be competitive in the job market, they can enroll in a Non-T residency program that would include a combination of online and real world applications that can be completed on your own time without having to quit your job. The precedent is in place with the Rph to PharmD transition and would only need to be adapted to the current situation. This would allow many more pharmacists the opportunity of residency training and would be a boost to having more residency trained pharmacists in the hospital setting.

03-27-2012 09:11

I agree, Anthony. It's hard to compete nowadays, without that PGY1 residency; however, not everyone can get a residency. Although I was going a non-hospital route after pharmacy school, and then decided to go the hospital route last minute, I never had the chance to apply to residency; I also had classmates who did apply to residency and was among the 1000 or so who didn't match. So, it's hard- because even with the residency, how do we equate experience? Not all residencies are even the same to actual working experience, so I think it's more up to the institution to decide what they require their residency trained or equivalent experience pharmacists to have the knowledge of to be able to do?

03-25-2012 03:34

This has been a concern of mine as well and I am glad someone is willing to speak up. I graduated in 2009 but I had 7 years of experience as a health care professional prior to obtaining my PharmD. I worked as a clinical laboratory technician (MT, ASCP) in microbiology and immunohematolgy. I used this clinical background to my advantage when it came to job hunting and I landed a staff-clinical position in a 400-bed level 2 trauma center. The experience I gained there opened up more doors, which brought me to my current position. It is another staff-clinical position but with a much larger health care system. Next year I plan on taking the BCPS exam. In my current position I have already been given more responsibilties and I have no doubt that pursuing an advanced position within this health system will not be hindered by a lack of residency. In other words, a residency may look good on paper versus experience when dealing with employers that do not personally know an applicant, but sometimes the reputation we make for ourselves will be more valuable than a residency. I do not know what types of positions you were applying for, but I imagine with your background, if you had sought a specialty position within the organization you already worked for, you would have gotten it!

03-19-2012 14:00

I received a comment from another member about this post, and I felt compelled to respond: The commenter had asked if I asked "is there a job available" and he mentioned supply and demand.
There is a supply and demand issue right now--which is a different issue altogether--but that still shouldn't preclude the most qualified person from getting a job. This isn't about having alphabet soup after your name. I could do that as well by adding B.S., BSPharm, PharmD. after my name. This doesn't change the fact that I have been doing the job for more than 15 years.
And while ASHP has not specifically dictated that a residency is a requirement, with ASHP's help, the bar has been set, and institutions are running with it. To be precise, one of the available positions I had applied for has been available now for nearly 6 months. 6 months vacant--because they're looking for the white whale, not realizing that their policies have excluded qualified personnel. I actually called and spoke with the hiring manager and she informed me that this was the decision from higher-ups in the department (DoP, etc.) who didn't want non-residency trained RPh's training residents, as this instution takes PGY-1 residents.
It just seems a little backwards to me.